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Angelhil asked:


wouldn’t it be nice to shut people like me and Darren G up by simply performing a large clinical trial with reproducible results? Is there anything stopping you. Then people like lightning would double their profits because if it could be proved to work in a double blinded large clinical trail with the results independently reproduced then people like me would buy and use it. how is it that this hasn’t already happened. Why to you guys still have to rely on peddling out that silly meta-analysis from the Lancet?
Dr Frank: thank you for your answer, i always like your imputs but perhaps you give it too much credit. let’s not worry about proving ALL the different homeopathic remodies. how about we just prove ONE. just ONE. if they can prove one them worry about legistaling the rest.

Other Dude: do they ALL really get recalled two years later hmm. all of them really? hmm really, all of them? and fella if these companies want to make huge profits and homeopathy works why would they not produce it themselves as the profit margins are massive. it is after all JUST water
lightning: hey pal, look sorry mate but that really does sound like excuses. why have double blinded trails failed. bias? just bias? oh man. I wish i had the money to give you( or homeopaths) I’d say you guys do all the methodology you guys do all the testing. just have a scientist over your shoulder the whole time to observe. man I wish I had the cash. what gets me is why you guys don’t have to offer any evidence to be allowed to sell medicine. three questions for you Lightning and please answer these as you always seem to duck my questions unless they suit you.

1. if you believe homeopathy is a powerful treatment then there should be some potential harm if incorrectly used. I could eat a whole bottle or three

2. what would it take to make you think it didn’t work. I would change my mind if it passed large properly blinded trials with tests that were reproduceable around the globe. how many failures (if I paid for them all for example) would it take for you to change your mind?
3. if you dilute something, does it make it stronger or weaker?
lightning. thank you for addressing each question I posed. You are wrong about it out performing placebo. the much herelded Lancet trial was in fact a meta-analysis and as such useless except for a start point. you didn’t answer question two either. I would have liked a scenario where you would hyperthetically let go of your belief. I don’t beleive there is any circumstance where you would. I also reckon you fight pretty hard for someone who as you claim doesn’t truly 100% believe in it. Thinking outside the box doesn’t involve abandoning common sense. the dilution arguement you put there is very weak. the dilutions involved are chemically water so saying that there is too much chemical so it blocks it’s effects or something similar is irrelevant because there is no active agent.

Also lets cut another myth that beleivers use. the old myth that babies and animals are immune to the placebo effect. tests have shown some evidence that if a rat is injected with say a poision …
… that causes an ill effect then that same effect to a lesser degree will also happen when the rat is later given just a poke from an empty needle. so i think the idea is that the rat’s body remembers what it did the last time it got injected and has a ready made reponse. look it up yourself as i’m not overly familier with the nuts and bolts.